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Date: Mon,  1 Nov 93 04:30:08 PST
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Ham-Policy Digest           Mon,  1 Nov 93       Volume 93 : Issue  408

Today's Topics:
            info on cellular mods - illegal? YES! (2 msgs)
                     Morris protesters in England
        What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband? (5 msgs)

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 00:02:03 GMT
From: csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]
Subject: info on cellular mods - illegal? YES!
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Robert) wrote:
>[e-mail] (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
>> Just because there's a law against it doesn't mean it's illegal.  It could
>
>Well Jack, I think virtually all police officers would disagree with you
>on that one.

The police don't decide what the law is.  The courts do.

--

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Jack Hamilton            POB 281107 SF CA 94128  USA
[e-mail]           kd6ttl@w6pw.#nocal.ca.us.na

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 21:17:34 CST
From: swrinde!menudo.uh.edu!jpunix!unkaphaed!amanda![e-mail]
Subject: info on cellular mods - illegal? YES!
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jack Hamilton) writes:

> [e-mail] (Robert) wrote:
> >[e-mail] (Jack Hamilton) writes:
> >
> >> Just because there's a law against it doesn't mean it's illegal.  It could
> >
> >Well Jack, I think virtually all police officers would disagree with you
> >on that one.
>
> The police don't decide what the law is.  The courts do.

Exactly my point. And if I were to go out and rob a store, and then give
the arresting officer YOUR response ("Just because there's a law against
it doesn't mean it's illegal.") I would think the policeman would have
himself a good laugh. I wonder if Sirhan Sirhan or Charlie Manson have
used your excuse before as well.

 --Robert

________________________________________________________________________
| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human.  At best  |
| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and |
| not make messes in the house.                                        |
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 07:13:27 GMT
From: news.Hawaii.Edu!uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu![e-mail]
Subject: Morris protesters in England
To: [e-mail]

Gang,
   It seems that England is trying to do away with Morris; hundreds are
protesting. Here's the story right off the UPI newsfeed:


Subject: Morris dancers protest threat to 'English' holiday
Keywords: international, non-usa trends, trends, holidays, lifestyle
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
X-Supersedes: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 93 4:55:32 PDT
Location: western europe, great britain
ACategory: international
Slugword: britain-mayday
Priority: regular
Format: regular
ANPA: Wc: 211/199; Id: z1481; Sel: xwitf; Adate: 10-23-N/A; Ver: 0/1
Codes: yitfrxw., yickrgb., xxxxxxxx, //nl--a/
Lines: 17

 LONDON (UPI) -- Hundreds of Morris dancers staged a rally in central
London Saturday protesting against the government's planned abolition of
a public holiday they consider to be a unique part of England's history.
 The May Bank holiday dates back to the mediaeval ages when May Day
was used for great festivities. People would dance around a maypole set
up in towns and villages around the country. The dances became
associated with Morris dances, which were usually danced by five men and
a boy dressed as a girl, called Maid Marian from Robin Hood folklore.
Around the dancers would be musicians gaily dressed and ornamented with
bells tuned to different notes ringin in harmony with each step.
 The festivities were an eyesore to the Puritanical movement during
the 16th and 17th century and forbidden by Oliver Cromwell in Parliament
in 1644. They then found favor during the Restoration after Cromwell's
death and continued to be popular over the ensuing years.
 ``Visitors come from all over the world to see what they might think
are strange peculiatries, but that is what makes England England,''
Gordon Newton, a spokesman for the protesters told reporters.

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 13:59:25 CST
From: swrinde!menudo.uh.edu!jpunix!unkaphaed!amanda![e-mail]
Subject: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband?
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Kevin Anderson -7325) writes:

> What if, in addition to the current Novice/Tech+ HF subbands,
> a 50 khz subband, say 3850-3900 or 3900-3950 was made available?
> That way, in addition to DX SSB possibilities on 10m, which are
> nice for daytime/summertime ops, one could also have a winter-time
> option for phone.

Why? If a Novice/Tech wants phone, all he has to do is upgrade to General
class? Problem solved.

 --Robert

________________________________________________________________________
| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human.  At best  |
| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and |
| not make messes in the house.                                        |
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 23:37:49 GMT
From: swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!Freenet.carleton.ca![e-mail]
Subject: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband?
To: [e-mail]

In a previous article, [e-mail] (Robert) says:

>[e-mail] (Kevin Anderson -7325) writes:
>
>> What if, in addition to the current Novice/Tech+ HF subbands,
>> a 50 khz subband, say 3850-3900 or 3900-3950 was made available?
>> That way, in addition to DX SSB possibilities on 10m, which are
>> nice for daytime/summertime ops, one could also have a winter-time
>> option for phone.
>
>Why? If a Novice/Tech wants phone, all he has to do is upgrade to General
>class? Problem solved.
>
> --Robert
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human.  At best  |
>| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and |
>| not make messes in the house.                                        |
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

If it is Morse code that separates the Human from the tolerably subhuman,
am I ever glad you have your code.
:-)

--
Bill VE3NJW, VE3NJW@VE3KYT.#EON.ON.CAN

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 06:08:12 GMT
From: swrinde!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!Freenet.carleton.ca![e-mail]
Subject: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband?
To: [e-mail]

In a previous article, [e-mail] (David R Tucker) says:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kevin Anderson -7325) writes:
>
>   What if, in addition to the current Novice/Tech+ HF subbands,
>   a 50 khz subband, say 3850-3900 or 3900-3950 was made available?
>   That way, in addition to DX SSB possibilities on 10m, which are
>   nice for daytime/summertime ops, one could also have a winter-time
>   option for phone.
>
>   I guess I am thinking of a comment one of the readers made
>   about current 5wpm privileges not being sufficient to interest
>   him.  Maybe this addition would help.  The Canadians currently
>   have full (I believe, but I may be mistaken) access to 160m and
>   80m with their Basic license with the 5wpm rating.
>
>   Any CONSTRUCTIVE replies, from the ARRL or others?
>
>I favor this.  There are so many nets on 80 and 75 that I think
>it would be a good idea to expand access to this band.
>
>-drt
>
There are many pluses to this, the opportunity for phone contacts, and the
opportunity for CW contacts.  The inherent problem eith 160 and 80 mtrs is
for the most part space. Not many apartment, condo, or city lot dwellers,
at least among the "new" set, can put up ant antenna for these bands. We
older guys know you can always improvise. The problem with the Canadian
allocation is that the 5wpm Basic holder cannot send CW on 10, 12, 15, 17,
20, 30, or 40 mtrs. This inhibits the hours of "working" CW that speeds up
the learning of higher speeds. This is the only downfall of the Canadian
Plan and I applaude any new life coming into the ranks. After all, we old
buzzards won't live forever and eventually will become sk's. Perhaps if we
encourage the newbies ( some of which are old buzzards themselves ),
amateur radio may live on as a legacy for generations to come.


--
Bill VE3NJW, VE3NJW@VE3KYT.#EON.ON.CAN

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Date: 31 Oct 1993 19:28:27 -0600
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!abc.ksu.ksu.edu![e-mail]
Subject: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert) writes:
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human.  At best  |
>| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and |
>| not make messes in the house.                                        |
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
I, as a licensed No-Code operator, take serious offense at this remark.  Are
you saying that since I have trouble learning Morse, I am somehow not adequate
as a human being???  That is so much bullshit!  I think this Code-NoCode debate
has gotten totally out of hand!!!  Truth of the matter is, the Tech class lic.
is here to stay, and you just might as well get used to it...and it's only a
matter of time before techs are allowed on the HF phone bands...who knows,
maybe they will finally get smart and open up your CW subbands to phone ops.
That would be the smartest thing in the world!!!  Your CW can be used on our
phone bands, so why can't our phone be used on your CW bands???  I think you
had better avoid further insults about the No-Code license...becuase there
are more of us than you think!!!  Give it up, dude!!!  CW is obsolete!!
No one uses it beyond Ham radio anymore, and it's only in the HAM OF's that
it still lives at all!!!

Asbestos Suit on!!!  Oh well, flames go to /dev/null, anyway!


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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 21:21:50 CST
From: swrinde!menudo.uh.edu!jpunix!unkaphaed!amanda![e-mail]
Subject: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband?
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jeremy L. Utley) writes:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert)
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human.  At best  |
> >| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and |
> >| not make messes in the house.                                        |
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> I, as a licensed No-Code operator, take serious offense at this remark.  Are

That's nice.

 --Robert

________________________________________________________________________
| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human.  At best  |
| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and |
| not make messes in the house.                                        |
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 06:21:47 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!Freenet.carleton.ca![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>ton.ca
Reply-To : [e-mail] (Bill Macpherson)
Subject : Re: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband?


In a previous article, [e-mail] (Jeremy L. Utley) says:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert) writes:
>>
>>________________________________________________________________________
>>| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human.  At best  |
>>| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and |
>>| not make messes in the house.                                        |
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>I, as a licensed No-Code operator, take serious offense at

>Give it up, dude!!!  CW is obsolete!!
>No one uses it beyond Ham radio anymore, and it's only in the HAM OF's that
>it still lives at all!!!

>Asbestos Suit on!!!  Oh well, flames go to /dev/null, anyway!

Yes you are offended as was I.
However HAM OF's ... I may resemble that remark, my CW is rusty but should
be worked on ... it's fun, also it's a means of communicating with people
who don't have HF phone priveleges, not to mention that it makes QSO's
with non-English speaking people easier as they can pronounce the word as
they wish, but a Kenwood is a Kenwood. You may not solve world peace over
CW but you can still say more than 59 QRZ.

Asbestos suit Hmmm! seems like you got yours out and expect more back.

73 et bcnu de VE3NJW Bill in Ottawa ...-.-


--
Bill VE3NJW, VE3NJW@VE3KYT.#EON.ON.CAN

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